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Irish Eyes - Vol 12

Welcome to this addition of Irish Eyes, 22 December 2008, I hope you enjoy reading it.

This email, Irish Eyes, has been sent to you as you are a member of the R1b DNA cluster called "Irish Type III".
If you do not wish to receive any further bulletins, please and I will remove you from the distribution list.

Our website is at www.irishtype3dna.org/ and continues to attract visitors, now over 7,500 in the last two years.

Christmas is upon us

The compliments of the season to all in the Irish Type III cluster and may Santa bring you a voucher for more testing!
Sincerely, lets hope 2009 is a great year and we all find that elusive close match and new relatives.

Breaking 350 members

I am pleased to be able to report that we now have 351 members of the cluster, an increase of 50 in the last three months. Certainly we seem to be on a roll with more and more people taking the plunge into DNA to assist in their Genealogy research.

Welcome to the new members, many of whom tested at Ancestry.com, that are receiving this flyer for the first time. (As I have warned before it may not be too regular!)

Ancestry members

The numbers testing with Ancestry continues to grow and at least with this laboratory, as with SMGF (Sorenson), we are able to see everyone who tests, unlike FTDNA where it is only if people join Ysearch that one can quickly find them. Some are testing 30 markers and others 43. Both options test DYS463 and DYS464 allowing me to see if they are likely to be members of our cluster.

I strongly urge all members to set up a Ysearch ID where you can easily check matches with a much greater number of possible cousins.

Ysearch IDs

If you tested at Ancestry and haven't already done so, please set up a Ysearch ID at www.ysearch.org
Setting up a Ysearch ID allows others to quickly check for matches in the largest database available to everyone. As you have then published your results publicly, I am able to include them in the results page of the 'Irish Type III' website. I will not post them on the website unless you have a Ysearch record as I will always respect your right to privacy.

We all will, however, get the greatest gains by being prepared to share our information and hence get more and better matches to one another. Those with 67 markers have the added benefit of being included in the Phylogram for our cluster which allows those members to see their nearest genetic relations.

UPDATE 01 March 2010

As from 01 March 2010, ySearch has fallen into line with NIST standards. ySearch is now expecting the higher values for DYS452 and DYS463. If you received your results from FTDNA, Ancestry or Genebase, these two markers need NO conversion

If you do elect to set up a Ysearch ID, be aware that some Ancestry markers need conversion as Ysearch reports them differently.
The markers that require conversion from Ancestry are:-

DYS441 -1
DYS442 -5
DYS452 -19
DYS463 -2
Y-GATA-A10 -2
Y-GATA-H4.1 -11

That is you subtract the above from your value before entering in Ysearch. For example, Your DYS463=25 so subtract 2 and enter 23 in Ysearch.

If you tested at FTDNA, then only the following need changing:-

DYS452 -19
DYS463 -2

All other markers, enter "as is".

Steep learning curve?

If you are finding all this DNA stuff gobble-de-gook drop me a line.

Firstly I would like to help you if I can .... I still remember diving into the same pool barely four years ago. If others hadn't helped me I wouldn't have gained the knowledge that I have.

Secondly, if I find similar questions from a number of members I can write up an item in Irish Eyes which may well help others too.

EthnoAncestry SNP tests

Most will probably know by now that EthnoAncestry failed to get consistent results in testing SNP S25 which was hoped might reveal an SNP in the immediate area that may have relevance for our cluster. Those that had been participating in this research were offered an alternative test by EA and we took the opportunity to check several markers and I thank those members for testing for the benefit of our group, rather than personal needs.

Looking at the above diagram, our cluster has tested +ve for P312/S116 and -ve for M65, M153, M167/SRY2627, S28/U152, M126, M160, M37, P66, M222 and S68.

This leaves S121, S122, S123, S124, L21/S145, L7, L8, L9 and L10 to test.

What did we learn?

1. Four members each tested one of S121, S122, S123 and S124. We are still waiting on the results for S124 but all the others have reported -ve or ancestral.

2. Two other members took the opportunity to test S145, a newly discovered SNP that is equivalent to FTDNA's L21. They both tested +ve.

3. One member tested FTDNA's L21 which was +ve and further tested L7, L8, L9 and L10. All tested -ve.

Our chart now looks like this:-

Tree 2

October 2011: The above chart is no longer relevant. Please refer to ISOGG R-Tree instead as this is kept up-to-date.

Some members may have independently tested for some SNPs and I am not aware of their results and so they are not listed on our SNP page.

Please let me know your results so I can include them.

If any members have comments, suggestions or an article that you would like to write for Irish Eyes please drop me a line .... warning, this flyer may not be too regular !!!

Slainte, Dennis Wright

This email, Irish Eyes, has been sent to you as you are a member of the R1b DNA cluster called "Irish Type III".
If you do not wish to receive any further bulletins, please and I will remove you from the distribution list.