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Irish Eyes - Vol 19

Welcome to this addition of Irish Eyes, 10 November 2013, I hope you enjoy reading it. You can always access earlier volumes of Irish Eyes at the Irish Eyes tab.

This email Irish Eyes has been sent to you as you are a member of the R1b-L226 DNA cluster called "Irish Type III".

If you do not wish to receive any further bulletins, please and I will remove you from the distribution list.

Our website at www.irishtype3dna.org/ continues to attract visitors, and is the most comprehensive collection of information on this Dalcassian cluster.

1,000 Members

We have now reached the milestone of 1,000 members in the cluster, and still getting larger. We have the DNA test results of 900 men and a further 100 are shown as matches to the cluster at FTDNA, but fail to respond to emails. Their names are listed in the Lost Members page of the website. If any member is in contact with any of these men, I would love to hear from them and add their results to our database.

I have added their email addresses to our distribution list and there many be some people receiving this newsletter for the first time that are not members of this cluster. For this I apologise as I have used FTDNA matches to find members, and while those that are a close match to the modal at 25 and 37 markers are almost certainly part of the cluster, those that only appear as matches with a GD of 5 to 7 at 67 markers may not be. If this is the case please and I will remove you from the distribution list.

Welcome to the new members, many of whom tested at Ancestry.com, that are receiving this flyer for the first time. (As I have warned before it may not be too regular!)

1,000 year Anniversary of the Battle of Clontaff

This coming April 23, 2014 is the millennium anniversary of the Battle of Clontarf. The battle is significant in the history of Ireland for the scourge of the Norsemen who had been terrorising Ireland for over two hundred years came to a halt on a green field outside of Viking Dublin when the Irish men of the province of Leinster rebelled and were supported by a large force of Norse warriors clashed against the brigade of High-King Brian Boru. After a day long struggle High-King Brian’s Irish soldiers obtained the upper hand and pushed Ireland’s enemies back into the sea, never to terrorise the Emerald Isle again. Sadly, King Brian was slain in his tent while giving thanks to God by a fleeing Viking. For fourteen years Ireland had been unified under one man. It is said that a noble woman could walk the length of Ireland in her finest unmolested and monasteries were rebuilt; all came to an end on the death of the High-King.

A couple of sites that detail celebrations to be held are:-
Brian Boru 2014
Irish Tourism website (Particularly good)

Irish Type III member, Kevin O'Brien is looking to take a party to Ireland to celebrate this millennium. He writes:-

Next April a celebration is being held to commemorate King Brian Boru’s achievements. For those who can’t make the April celebration an alternate trip titled “King Brian Boru Gathering” has been planned in June tracing the steps of Brian from his birth at Killaloe in County Clare, to the Rock of Cashel where he was inaugurated as the provincial king of Munster. Then on to the battlefield of Clontarf, with a final visit at his burial site at Armagh. Along the way will be visits to various sites of interests such as the Burren and the Cliffs of Moher, partaking in a medieval banquet at Bunratty Castle, and the Hill of Tara.

Perhaps you may have an interest in travelling to Ireland in 2014, and take part in the millennium celebration in the “King Brian Boru Gathering.” A more detailed flier which can be printed and posted can be found here:-


Dr Tyrone Bowes locates your Irish Homeland - Irish Origenes

Genetic Genealogist, Dr Tyrone Bowes has come up with an interesting concept for locating, using DNA, the townland your ancestors came from in Ireland. Dr Bowes explains his concept at Irish Origenes as 7 Steps
Step 1 Order your 37 marker DNA test.
Step 2 View the Surnames of the people you match from your DNA test results.
Step 3 Identify the Surnames that reoccur as DNA matches.
Step 4 Look at those Surnames on the Irish Origenes Surname distribution Map database.
Step 5 Stick pins on the Surnames on the areas where they occur on the Surnames of Ireland Map.
Step 6 Purchase the Clan Territories of Ireland Map to see where your Clan/Ancestors lived.
Step 7 Purchase the Castles of Ireland Map to discover the castles your Ancestors built.

The concept appears good except that with convergence, some matches will not be true matches as the person belongs to a different cluster. However, as the Irish Type III signature is so different to other clusters, Dr Bowes concept should work for our cluster.

One Irish Type III member has had Dr Bowes prepare a report, see :- Here.

Also, the Surname distribution Map database is very interesting. It is based on surname distributions from the Census of 1911. Irish Origenes Surnames Database

Disclaimer: Dennis Wright and the Irish Type III website have no connection with, and receives no financial benefit from Dr Tyrone Bowes or Irish Origenes.

Irish Type III database and results

In the Irish Type III database, I highlight the Surname in red for those members that have tested L226+.
Because Ysearch does not list all 111 FTDNA markers I try to identify the results by the tester's FTDNA Kit number with the addition of a lower case 'f' in green eg. f25505 For those that I have not been able to identify in this way, I use a lower case 'y' in black for Ysearch eg yQCRER or a lower-case 'b' in orange for Ybase eg bTXAJ1 Present numbers are:-

FTDNA Kit # 516
Ysearch 146
YBase 4

Further to these that are displayed, I have a further 174 results from Ancestry and 49 from Sorenson, a total of 882 sets of Irish Type III results.

Having your results available in a FTDNA project makes them publicly available and as I only publish a Surname and never the participant's full name, I use these in the database that can be viewed at the link above.

Email Addresses

If you have recently changed your email address, please let me know so you can continue to receive your copy of Irish Eyes.

These email addresses now fail.

Anonymous at Ancestry?

I still find it hard to understand why anyone would go to the bother and cost of testing at Ancestry and still wish to remain anonymous. How can they expect to find matches and further their genealogy? If you know of any Irish Type III people, please ask they to add their names and contact me. Men identified as Irish Type III so far are:- These.

Massive BNA volunteer hunt begins

Scientists are looking for 100,000 volunteers prepared to have their DNA sequenced and published online for anyone to look at.
The UK Personal Genome Project could provide a massive free tool for scientists to further understanding of disease and human genetics. For more info:- Click Here

L226 our defining SNP

L226 is the defining SNP for our Irish Type III cluster and as such I urge you all to test L226 to absolutely confirm your membership of the Irish Type III cluster.

To order L226, from your FTDNA Home Page, click on "My Account" / Order Tests and Upgrades. Then click on "Order Advanced SNP Test". On the chart displayed, scroll down and click on L226 that appears in Orange. L226 will appear in the Order box below the chart. Click "Continue Order".

The Price is quoted as $39.00 and on the line above it says "There is a one-time fee of $9.50 US to transfer your DNA from the Arizona lab to the Houston lab where all advanced testing is done." This only applies the first time you order an advanced test.

Once you order L226, please also join the R-L226 project. Go to the R-L226 Project Page and I will put you in the Pending Group until your result comes in.

In the R-L226 project there is now a listing of all SNPs that each person has tested for. FTDNA did have a problem that it only recorded the SNPs tested through standard SNP testing and NOT WTY testing. This left Kevin O'Brien (our WTY participant, in whom the L226 SNP was found,) with M269 as his last tested SNP. After appealing to FTDNA, they are adding L226 to Kevin's record in the R-L226 project.

Splitting R-L226 Project into Groups

Of interest to those Irish Type III men that have tested the SNP, L226 and joined the R-L226 project, I have made a first attempt to split the project into groups based on STR signatures. While some are very evident, others are less so and as always in these situations, a large body remain as 'Ungrouped'. I would appreciate feedback and suggestions.

Big Y Test at FTDNA

Family Tree DNA have just announced at their November 2013 conference the introduction of a new Y-chromosome DNA test to be known as the Big Y. The new test uses next generation sequencing technology which is much more reliable than the chip testing used for the Geno 2.0 test from the Genographic Project and the Chromo 2 test from BritainsDNA. The Big Y is intended as a replacement for the Walk through the Y test which used the slower and much more expensive Sanger sequencing technology.

The Big Y test covers 10 million base pairs. It will provide results for almost 25,000 of the known Y-SNPs. However the exciting part is that this test can also be used for SNP discovery, opening up the tantalising possibility of finding SNPs that will prove to be unique to a particular surname lineage or an individual branch of a family tree.

The introductory price of the new test is $499. The selling price from 1st December will be $695.

If any members have comments, suggestions or an article that you would like to write for Irish Eyes please drop me a line .... warning, this flyer may not be too regular !!!

Slainte, Dennis Wright

This email, Irish Eyes, has been sent to you as you are a member of the R1b DNA cluster called "Irish Type III".
If you do not wish to receive any further bulletins, please and I will remove you from the distribution list.