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Irish Eyes - Vol 7

Welcome to this addition of Irish Eyes, 14 December 2007, I hope you enjoy reading it.

The Irish Type III Website was set up in December 2006 and in one year, the website has received 2,800 hits.

Over 220 records of Irish Type III cluster members have been gathered in that time. You are receiving this email as you are a member of this cluster. December again!

Merry Christmas to all and may Santa bring you all you desire .... perhaps an upgrade to 67 markers! Have a thought for your Irish ancestors without whom you wouldn't exist - and give your little ones a hug!

A County in Ireland

Several members have contacted me to upgrade their origins from "Ireland" to a specific county. I welcome these updates if you have additional information that we can include on the website, but please don't guess ... if the database is going to remain accurate, we need correct data.

Surname information (Part 1)

I have received considerable information from Janet Crawford where she has scoured historical records for origins of the surnames that occur in our cluster. I have tried to summarise them for you.
These are areas where surnames of people currently in the cluster existed in Ireland centuries ago.


The Graham's, per De Bhulbh, are found in three places - Ulster, Leinster and Connaught. He doesn't mention Munster, but there are Graham's in Munster. The Graham's are found in Munster in Cork and Kerry, and are part of the Corcu Loigde [O'Driscoll in Munster] which have a direct tie to Co. Antrim in the area of Carrickfergus/Lough Neagh. Graham is found in Connaught in Co. Clare in Corci Baiscinn - Kilrush, Ennis and near Limerick, and also up near Killaloe. You can then predict exactly where you will find Graham's with your Irish III marker, i.e. in Cork, Kerry, the Corca Baiscinn area of Clare, near Lough Neagh in Co. Antrim, in locatable parts of Leitrim, Roscommon, Down and Kilkenny.


The Logan's you want with the Irish III marker will be either from near Leighlinbridge, Co. Carlow, from near Cashel, Co. Tipperary, possibly from the Isle of Man. They are part of the Orbraige and the Orbraige can be found all over Munster and a branch went to Scotland. They are Fir Bolg.


The Kennedy's precede the O'Brien's and are part of the same sept, so you should find your marker in all Kennedy's.


The MacNamara's are a Clare sept and come out of the Ui Cuillean of the Tipperary Eoganaughts, so you should find the marker in all MacNamara's [mac Con Mara].


The Ryan's are devils and I have done a lot of work on their genealogy, but I don't recall seeing an underlying older sept connected to them. The Ryan's of Tipperary are actually Mulryan. The Rian's of Leinster have NO apparent connection to them at all, but I don't yet have an underlying sept for them either although I do have a genealogy; they never used Mulryan. They are both going to need a lot more work, but the Ryan's of Tipperary started around Inch, Co. Tipperary and I will guess that you will always find a marker for them. It is possible the Rian's of Leinster, unless they also turn out to be Fir Bolg, will not carry the marker.


The McGrath's [Magrath] are a Tipperary sept, so should all have the marker. I have to see if any show up in other parts of the country that may be different. (Surnames - to be continued)


Aren't we lucky that we don't have to rely on our memory to the extent our forefathers did. "Just a moment while I chip that information into this slab of stone!"

Its hard for us to imagine what it must have been like to live in a culture before the advent of printed books or before you could carry around a ballpoint pen and paper to jot notes.

"In a world of few books, and those mostly in communal libraries, one's education had to be remembered, for one could never depend on having continuing access to specific material," writes Mary Carruthers, author of The Book of Memory, a study of the role of memory techniques in medieval culture. A strong memory was seen as the greatest of virtues since it represented the internalisation of a universe of external knowledge.

- National Geographic, Dec 2007, p49.

What would our forefathers have thought of me tapping away at a machine in Australia and seconds later my message being read by hundreds of people on the other side of the world.

What will things be like in a 100 or a 1,000 years from now?

S25 Testing and the search for a new SNP for our Cluster

Still no results from EthnoAncestry of our testing ... let's hope that the delay is because our elusive SNP is upsetting their primers used in their testing. Better to wait a little longer and find the SNP than rush things or give up and miss it.

If any members have comments, suggestions or an article that you would like to write for Irish Eyes please drop me a line .... warning, this flyer may not be too regular !!!

Slainte, Dennis Wright